Dena Kohleriter had always planned on having a family. But when she was 36 years old and hadn't yet met the person she wanted to build one with, she decided to take matters into her own hands. She met with a reproductive endocrinologist in 2010 and gave birth to her daughter, Jori, the following year.
That it's just the two of them is what makes their family "a little bit unique," Dena tells 8-year-old Jori at StoryCorps in Dallas.
Now, nearly 10 years later, she tells Jori about her decision to have a child on her own.
"I was kind of scared if I'd be able to have a kid on my own, and I worried about you. Would you be sad and feel like you missed out if it was just me?" Dena tells Jori. "But then once I decided, it was just so clear to me that it was the right thing to do. I gathered up all my courage and I just did it, and then I was proud of myself for doing it."
Jori asks Dena: "What was the best reaction when you decided to have me?"
"I remember telling my grandmother," Dena says.
Her grandmother, Rosalind Shuster, was 92 at the time. She asked Dena to give her a minute while she processed the news. " 'What is acceptable now is not what was acceptable when I was a girl,' " Dena says her grandmother told her, referring to single motherhood.
But a few moments later, her grandmother, a Holocaust survivor who fled to the U.S. from Vienna, said she was thinking of another relative: "Tante Roszi," her favorite aunt.
Roszi Polacsek, who lived in Hungary, was older when she married and had a baby girl. During a roundup in her town, Nazis shot Roszi as she held her daughter in her arms. Both died. The Nazis also killed Roszi's stepson and nearly all of Rosalind's family.
Rosalind thought of all the babies in her family who were never allowed to grow into adulthood.
"Any time that our bloodline can continue is a slap in the face to those that would have seen us destroyed," her grandmother said to Dena. "So, yes, you have my full support," she said.
Dena said her grandmother promised to meet her great-granddaughter: " 'I don't know how long I've got. I promise you one year,' " Dena says she told her. "And she gave us exactly one year. She was there when you were born, and for those months that she was still alive and you were an infant, you had lunch once a week where she would feed you your bottle and she would snuggle with you and she was so happy."
Dena says that she and Jori visited Rosalind in the hospital before she died and that she was reminded of how Rosalind saw Jori's birth as a way to help replenish what the Holocaust took away.
"She pointed at you and then she pointed at herself, and she said, 'This is the circle,' " Dena says.
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NOEL KING, HOST:
All right. It's time now for StoryCorps. Dena Kohleriter always planned on having a family, but she couldn't find the right partner. So when she was 36, she decided to take matters into her own hands. She recently came to StoryCorps in Dallas with her 8-year-old daughter, Jori, to talk about what family means to them.
DENA KOHLERITER: What makes our family a little bit unique is that I decided that I wanted to have a child on my own when I wasn't married and I didn't have someone in my life at that time.
JORI KOHLERITER: I want to know, what did you feel when you decided to have me?
KOHLERITER: I had so many different emotions. At first, I was worried. Would I be able to do it? I was kind of scared if I would be able to have a kid on my own. And I worried about you. And would you be sad and feel like you missed out if it was just me? But then once I decided, it was just so clear to me that it was the right thing to do. And, you know, I gathered up all my courage, and I just did it. And then I was proud of myself for doing it. But I'm kind of wondering - I want to to ask you, is it hard for you to not have a dad?
JORI: Well, yes, it can be hard. Some of the questions can be kind of annoying.
KOHLERITER: Like what types of questions?
JORI: Like if I'm adopted or things like that.
KOHLERITER: Sometimes, it's hard to have to explain.
JORI: Mmm hmm, a lot of that time. I want to know, what was the best reaction when you decided to have me?
KOHLERITER: It was actually when I went and told my grandmother, your Grandbubby (ph). Your Grandbubby was 92 years old at the time. And she was a Holocaust survivor. And when I told her, what she said to me was, I'm thinking about my favorite aunt in the whole world, my Tate Roszi. And she was magical. And she didn't get married until she was older. And she finally had this beautiful baby, and the Nazis came, and they killed them. They wiped out my entire family in Austria. So I think that any time that our bloodline can continue is a slap in the face to those that would have seen us destroyed. So, yes, you have my full support.
And what she said to me, too - I'll never forget. She said, I don't know how long I've got. I promise you one year. And she gave us exactly one year, which meant that she was there when you were born. And for those three months that she was still alive and you were an infant, you had lunch with her once a week, where she would feed you your bottle, and she would snuggle with you. And she was so happy. And I remember that when we went to visit her in the hospital before she died and I was holding you - and she pointed at you, and then she pointed at herself. And she said, this is the circle.
KING: That was Dena Kohleriter and her daughter, Jori Kohleriter, at StoryCorps. Their conversation will be archived at the Library of Congress. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.