Daniel & Ben are joined by Daniel's floppy-eared, salt-and-pepper companion, Kafka, for an interview with activist and author, Rita Mae Brown. Brown is a poet, novelist, and co-author of the Mrs. Murphy mystery series of books with her feline companion, Sneaky Pie Brown. Rita Mae Brown talks about the latest entry into that series, "Sneaky Pie Runs for President." The conversation is as much about books as it is about animals. In this online extended interview, Brown also talks about why the latest Sneaky Pie book isn’t so much a response to the recent election as it is a condemnation of humans destroying the environment. Aired Dec. 9, 2012.